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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47-xOiNGzgw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47-xOiNGzgw</a>

nnnngggghhhh I want this gaaaame !

Mantine surfing looks fun. o: Glad we finally get a good amount of details about the game.
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by Grim Noire on Today at 05:40:19 AM »
I'd say it's more like he does exactly that, except he forgot to listen to the professor on the "Not abusing emotional appeal" lesson. He speaks as though his opinions are factual and he's not even subtle about it.

Whenever he's looking at a show in an objective light, like his OP breakdown videos or such, you can tell he's putting a LOT of effort into all the details of what he's talking about. I just wish he stuck to THAT and not "all piracy is bad!" and "Re:Creators is a classic in the making!"



... By the way guys Made in Abyss is a classic in the making.

You are a classic in the making, my dude.



Also I was going to touch on Geoff's opinions and how he treats them, but you more or less did it for me. To look at it another way, he violates one of the cardinal rules of persuasive writing: using statements of absolute. Even though it may seem counterproductive the writer gains more legitimacy by staying open to the possibility that he may be not entirely right. The writer also doesn't speak in the first person or second person when referring to himself or the reader as a matter of professionalism.

The point of persuasive writing is, in my opinion, to present an argument that is summed up by a thesis statement, backed up by evidence which is framed within the author's own words. Ultimately the author can say whatever he wishes, but without using examples drawn from sources then his argument has no merit. Another way of thinking about it is that the sources are the true meat of the argument, and the thesis, body, and argument in general encompass the vehicle with which the argument is presented.

Going back to absolute statements - they derail the process. There's always the possibility that one is incorrect, and even if the author is correct in one aspect then there are still different perspectives which can be argued unless the thesis is so simplistic and no-nonsense that there's no point. In that case, why make an argument at all? The truth of the matter should be obvious in that case. In other words, even if the author has provided evidence to prove his argument then it's unlikely that more couldn't still be said in one direction or the other. That's why one should use indefinite terminology. "This evidence points towards," or, "After considering the evidence one could argue that," and so on. Obviously the argument is an opinion which is coming from the author's mouth, but the author must try and stay disconnected, letting the evidence speak for itself: "This source suggests," instead of, "I think that."

Obviously YouTube videos aren't persuasive research papers, but I appreciate the strictures which said papers demand and believe that no matter the medium, an author can only seem more professional by writing in such a manner when presenting an argument.

The video in question:
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And my response:
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The moral of this story is that no one insults, "The Witcher 3," so off-handedly, declaring it in passing an inferior world without really stirring up my ire. I have a hard time believing that some JRPG series could make a deeper, and more well-thought-out world than one adapted (and done so quite well at that) from a series of novels which is renowned for building a deep, high-quality world. My opinions aside however, Geoff certainly didn't present a good-enough argument to support his point.
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by Mirage Seraph on Today at 05:28:41 AM »
I'm open to the idea of accepting animated shows that aren't Japanese as anime, mainly because there is a fair amount of crossover with the fans of those types of shows. It's similar to how there is a lot of anime fan crossover with video games that might as well be anime like Final Fantasy, Persona and Danganrompa.

I feel as though discerning the difference between anime shows and anime games is kind of moot. If somebody asks for an anime to watch, nobody in their right minds is going to respond with "play Nekopara!" because... you can't watch Nekopara (yet). But if somebody wants recommendations on anime games, well gee have you heard of the lord and savior Senran Kagura? But I'm not going to tell them to watch 100 episodes of Monogatari. Then you have short movies and music videos. If someone looked me in the face and said ME! ME! ME! isn't anime I'd probably spit in their eye. The distinction exists, but not in terms of "anime", just the medium it's delivered in.

Also I mean, there are Persona and Danganrompa anime shows just for the record... Final Fantasy too if you count those movies.

The only thing that puzzles me is how to think about the reverse situation: shows that are technically referred to and seen as anime, but are clearly trying to emulate western animation rather than anime. If we can count Avatar and RWBY as anime, should we technically not count shows like Big O or Panty and Stocking as anime (and to a lesser extent, Cowboy Bebop and Baccano)?

I don't think the reverse would quite work like that because while RWBY is emulating eastern styles, Panty & Stocking isn't removing everything anime/Japanese about it for the sake of being a western cartoon. Shows like Cowboy Beebop and Trigun may have western themes but they're still EXTREMELY anime in structure and writing, Panty & Stocking may exude western writing from every orifice but the animation direction (particularly the sakuga scenes) is anything but that.

A better example might be Crayon Shin-chan(sp?). Episodic, cartoony, animation is only barely "anime". But even then it has its feet in the cultural aspect of Japan so then why exclude it? If someone asks for a comedic anime and they like shows like Family Guy then honestly Crayon Shin-chan is a fantastic recommendation.

... But what about Kappa Mikey? I've no idea where that lands on the scale. It emulates style (... kinda), culture (... kinda) AND writing (... kinda) but I feel like calling it anime defeats the very purpose of the show (to parody anime).
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by WolfJob on Today at 04:34:24 AM »
I'm open to the idea of accepting animated shows that aren't Japanese as anime, mainly because there is a fair amount of crossover with the fans of those types of shows. It's similar to how there is a lot of anime fan crossover with video games that might as well be anime like Final Fantasy, Persona and Danganrompa. I also feel like super rigid definitions can cause people to be needlessly petty about their arbitrary lines in the sand and whine and complain about what technically doesn't count as "real anime"

The only thing that puzzles me is how to think about the reverse situation: shows that are technically referred to and seen as anime, but are clearly trying to emulate western animation rather than anime. If we can count Avatar and RWBY as anime, should we technically not count shows like Big O or Panty and Stocking as anime (and to a lesser extent, Cowboy Bebop and Baccano)?
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by Mirage Seraph on Today at 04:01:16 AM »
But I do agree that Teen Titans et al. are anime. No one would question Japan lifting a Western idea and referring to it by the same name. It's only when the West emulates others that people's panties get into a twist.

... Re-reading before posting and I really don't know why I went on this tangent so hard? But I typed it so I don't really feel like deleting it... So... Eh?

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Mostly he doesn't treat his videos like persuasive essays as he - and everyone else really - ought to.

I'd say it's more like he does exactly that, except he forgot to listen to the professor on the "Not abusing emotional appeal" lesson. He speaks as though his opinions are factual and he's not even subtle about it.

Whenever he's looking at a show in an objective light, like his OP breakdown videos or such, you can tell he's putting a LOT of effort into all the details of what he's talking about. I just wish he stuck to THAT and not "all piracy is bad!" and "Re:Creators is a classic in the making!"



... By the way guys Made in Abyss is a classic in the making.
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by Grim Noire on Today at 02:37:20 AM »
According to Geoff (Mother's Basement), Teen Titans and Steven Universe are anime, but Smash isn't a fighting game



It's not a typical fighting game. But I do agree that Teen Titans et al. are anime. No one would question Japan lifting a Western idea and referring to it by the same name. It's only when the West emulates others that people's panties get into a twist.

But I don't want to give the impression that I agree with Geoff on everything or even most things. His video on how the Trails series has the best world building of any other vidya irked me at several points. Mostly he doesn't treat his videos like persuasive essays as he - and everyone else really - ought to.
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Flutter can trick anyone
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by WolfJob on Yesterday at 09:34:31 PM »
Geoff is a mixed bag.

On one hand, he does fantastic break down videos and he has good tastes.

On the other hand he's a unabashed shill and any time he tries to take a stance on something his brain starts leaking out.
The main problem is that he doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about when it comes to fighting games but seems to think he does, and is trying to paint this narrative that Smash (and to a lesser extent, other fighting games he doesn't like) have been taking away from the anime fighting game spotlight (which makes no sense) just cause he likes anime fighters

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Just watch Glass Reflection and Gigguk, nobody else matters  :monster:
I honestly find GR incredibly bland and forgettable. Gigguk isn't bad or anything but he can be incredibly hit or miss for me

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Also Smash isn't a Fighting Game
u wot m8 1v1 me irl fgt

Honestly I don't really care that much whether or not Smash can be technically counted as a fighting game or not (I've basically already talked about this when talking about the anime VS not anime discussion earlier in this thread). There is no real answer, it's all based on where you draw your arbitrary lines in the sand. My problem was partly with the fact that Geoff had an extremely wide and inclusive definition of anime and yet somehow an extremely narrow definition for fighting games

And I also have a general problem with the shithead elitist attitude people have towards the franchise and how they use the "it's not a fighting game" thing as an excuse just to shit on it. Not to say Smash fans aren't guilty of this as well, in fact the Melee elitists have EXACTLY the same type of shitty attitude towards Smash 4 players that the FGC in general has towards Smash (like seriously, have we learned nothing?), but that's hardly relevant in this case

In other words, saying that you don't personally see Smash as a fighting game simply cause it doesn't meet your personal requirements for fighting games? Totally a fair statement. Saying you think Smash is fucking garbage party game that fans like to pretend is a fighting game cause they can't handle "real" fighting games? Not so much

Though I do think Smash is a fighting game
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Media / Re: The Anime & Manga Thread (Almost) Anything goes!
« Last post by Mirage Seraph on Yesterday at 08:52:58 PM »
According to Geoff (Mother's Basement), Teen Titans and Steven Universe are anime, but Smash isn't a fighting game

Geoff is a mixed bag.

On one hand, he does fantastic break down videos and he has good tastes.

On the other hand he's a unabashed shill and any time he tries to take a stance on something his brain starts leaking out.

Just watch Glass Reflection and Gigguk, nobody else matters  :monster:

Also Smash isn't a Fighting Game
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