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March 24, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
Reply #175
Wouldn't it be more fitting if instead of Matthew McConaughey, it was Martin Scorsese or something? Although Martin Scorsese's only won one Oscar... that's cray-cray.

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March 24, 2014, 02:51:15 PM
Reply #176
Wouldn't it be more fitting if instead of Matthew McConaughey, it was Martin Scorsese or something? Although Martin Scorsese's only won one Oscar... that's cray-cray.

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Nah, for me it's so much worse that McConaughy won. It's so funny, because Leo has been trying to get an Oscar for over a decade now, and five years ago McConaughey was known as that guy in rom coms that likes taking off his shirt in a lot of them.

Then the guy decides to reinvent himself and wins an Oscar less than three years in his comeback attempt(if he even had something to come back against) while Leo STILL DOESN'T HAVE ONE and dramatic works is all he's ever done for the most part.


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March 24, 2014, 03:49:24 PM
Reply #177
Well, my point is the parallel would be more between Scorsese and Rarity than McConaughey and Rarity, because Scorsese has directed DiCaprio in a number of movies, thus being an aide to DiCaprio being up for an Oscar a number of times, and he won his Oscar for The Departed, which DiCaprio starred in. I suppose that's stretching it seeing as Scorsese has only won once, and it wasn't this year. Who else has DiCaprio worked with directly, whom has won an Oscar over him? Bah, I'm thinking too far into this.

March 24, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
Reply #178
OK this episode is….pretty alright it’s relatable and a part two to Sisterhooves Social, IN a way at least. Story starts out as Rarity is wondering what to add to a new dress she’s making and Sweetie Belle saying she needs to hurry to a dress rehearsal. Which is forgotten as she tried to get supplies for Rarity and fails, it turns out Sapphire Shores is returning and needs a new dress for an upcoming show, but Sweetie Belle asks Rarity if she could fix up and/or check out the outfits she made (which are...if she wants to be a designer she needs a lot of help, but with her sister as one sure she can take time off to TEACH HER!) but needs them for tomorrow night and Rarity already told her she was sorta behind….

She does it tho but cuts it very late a second longer and the CMC would’ve been on stage, yeah Sweetie Belle wrote and designed a play and didn’t ask her sister for help until the day before…well Rarity completely redid the dresses which after the play (yeah we get one line and then we fade to after it’s over, would’ve loved to see it and for all we know this could be Sweetie’s Talent) no pony at all liked ANYTHING besides the dresses Rarity made. Which understandably gets Sweetie Belle so mad to the point of going home as Rarity (btw guess due to having to fix Sweetie’s dresses Rarity fell so behind she got the other Mane5 to help her, thus missing the play) is finishing a headdress with Flutter-OH DEAR GOD!!!!!!! The headdress has...has the...the All Seeing Eye….YEAH let’s see how many get/know what that is (basically it’s a icon used by an evil cult bent on brainwashing, so many people had seen an eye in cartoons and jump to OMG THE EYE THEIR TRYING TO BRAINWASH KIDS!!!!!! ….I can’t say yes or no but probably first symbolism in the show so far at least that people will freak over about, for all we know it’s a sapphire not a eye but sure looks like a eye)  but anyways Sweetie rages a bit thinking Rarity made the dresses so good on purpose to outshine her.

The Mane5 (at least Spike saw the show and appeared to remember the play not only the dresses) leave very quickly and Sweetie starts her talk, yeah this scene is relatable an older sibling gets tasked by a younger sibling to help them out with something, but the older sibling does so well/their very best and outshines the younger sibling who gets angrily thinking it was on purpose. HOW MANY OF US (if you have a brother/sister) HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS?

Sweetie goes to her room and rages about and does so on one part about Rarity asking for a red ribbon but turning down every single red-like ribbon because “they weren’t red” and she yells saying they're all red, sorta nice scene showing a bit of way she’s so mad. Rarity overheard this and at first was going to talk with her, but decides to wait as she’s too angrily. Later that night Sweetie Belle can’t sleep and gets up to do...I forgot what maybe to get a drink of wat-WAIT A MINUTE! She’s sleeping at Rarity’s? THIS IS SISTERHOOVES SOCIAL TWO! XD

Anyways she hears her sister snoring and gets a idea, she ruins the headdress with the blue eye by taking out a stitch in it, and gets a evil smile (why do I find evil Sweetie Belle so cute?) then she heads off to bed where she dreams about winning a reward for her play. Just to have it rain and her statue melting, turns out EVIL CLOUD RARITY!!!!!!!! (Who sounds like Luna) She attacks Sweetie but luckily LUNA SAVES HER! XD

So another episode where a character gets a nightmare and Luna shows up saving them, now only Applebloom needs to dream like this. Luna tells Sweetie she knows/understand how she feels as she has an older sister that shines brighter and she struggles, then she goes Ghost Of Christmas Past, Present, And Future on us as she takes Sweetie back to her 5Th birthday party (finally A AGE! She’s older than 5 but sure she’s not a teenager yet) and OMG cute 5 year old Sweetie Belle is so cute I can’t take it...she wanted to make herself look beautiful like her sister (lipstick needs work but still SO CUTE!) and when she heads downstairs, sees her party was going on and overhear Rarity giving out party favors and a filly coldheartedly says “who needs the birthday girl when got her older sister?” with Sweetie crying back upstairs….

Oh sweet lord please n-never show her crying like that again my heart may give was just hard to watch and badly want to see her cheer up, wonder when she finally went back and if she even got to enjoy her party? Anyways then Luna goes back a bit further and by that I mean a couple of seconds as the kids are getting bored, with one (who sounds like Scootaloo, btw this filly should’ve been I swear honest to God, she should’ve been Tiara it would not only add character to both fillies but...just would’ve been nice) saying they should all leave and Rarity gave out the party favors to keep them from leaving, too bad young Sweetie didn’t overhear Rarity’s reply about the party favors being her idea.

Next Luna through a whether nice dream scene takes Sweetie Belle to a couple minutes maybe a few hours before she ruined the headdress, as she sees Rarity wondering what to do/when to finish the dresses now or when she arrives at Canterlot. When Sweetie said sh-OH SWEET MOTHER OF…….OK new creepy scene the animators after Rarity turned her lights off, INVERTED THE COLOR OF SWEETIE AND LUNA! Looks cool BUT DEAR CELESTIA WHY!? But anyways after Sweetie says she hopes tomorrow goes well Luna shows her what I think is a fake future (as when we get there later, totally different, also creepy how Sweetie’s legs are melted to the floor) where as soon as Sapphire tries on the headdress it falls apart and we get a few scenes where Rarity’s life basically gets ruined.

After a long fall Sweetie Belle wakes up but sees her sister already lef…..wait Rarity left her younger sister ALONE BY HERSELF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Wow her parents would be so mad, well since I’m sure Rarity was so careless she didn’t even bother to get a babysitter for Sweetie Belle as very next scene we see her along with Scootaloo and Applebloom on a train to Canterlot. OK a few questions, one how did the CMC get on the train? In Just For Sidekicks Spike needed them to get the pets on the train but he also needed to pay, if the CMC are all by themselves which sure they are, how did they manage to get on the train what they snuck on board or managed to get enough bits/gems to pay their way on?

Also unless Rarity left a long time before Sweetie woke up, how come their aren’t on the same train? Sure there’s more than one train but if not, you mean Rarity woke up so early she got on the train with said train going back to where the CMC can get on? If that’s the case they would’ve been a long freaken time late, if that’s not the case then enough time had to have pass where another train could be on the same tracks as well tell me if I’m wrong but, trains don’t share the same tracks do they? Wouldn’t that cause many near death crashes or halts? Rarity had to have been in Canterlot long before the CMC even took a step on the train unless Rarity took another way there, point is the CMC should’ve been way too late as Rarity would’ve been at Sapphire’s and gave her the dresses and no Sapphire showing Rarity her dance moves doesn’t count for the amount of time the train is likely to take to get there.

Also, HOW long does the train take? In season 2 one episode had the train TAKE AN ENTIRE DAY/NIGHT to even reach Canterlot, if that’s the case yeah then the whole train scene is even more confusing. If it doesn’t take an entire day/night then the CMC and Rarity should be on the same train but as Rarity got there first….the trains have to share tracks which I’m sure is a big no no. Ugh I’m not smart enough to fully detail this issue, while on the train we learn the CMC are fans of Sapphire, but Sweetie prefers Show Tunes.

Anyways later we see Sapphire again training with her dancers and calls Rarity her fave designer, outside the CMC tried to get in but the guard won’t let them and after falling to fly (you almost had it Scootaloo just a bit more training and you’ll fly!) they see a rope going from one building to Sapphire’s house (it is her house right?). AW YEAH Assassin’s Creed time! Yeah Applebloom uses her tail to get them across BUT STILL CLOSE ENOUGH! XD Luckily Sweetie was shot through the window just in time to steal the headdress still in the box before Rarity took it out, Rarity gives chase as...OK unless the backdoor is unguarded how did they get passed the guard?

Aw whatever we get a chase scene until Sweetie meets up with Luna who...has a voice change? OK, before her voice was 100% normal but all of a sudden she got a completely all new voice? YOU CAN’T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What her Voice Actress decided to try another voice tune and/or couldn’t fully speak Luna’s voice for that one scene? Oh God I am hoping when she returns Luna has her normal voice back YOU CAN NOT CHANGE A CHARACTER’S VOICE AT THE 3RD ACT OF THE EPISODE! You just can not! So hopefully next time she has her normal voice as if not, well great beyond measure disappointment, is Luna’s voice actress maturing just like Applebloom’s did? Doesn’t explain why her voice was 100% normal before but anyways, Sweetie after seeing Luna thought this was another dream but it’s not.

Luna does however help her improve the headdress, later after going to return it she gets caught by Rarity who demanded to know why Sweetie Belle stole the headdress. She admits what she did and showed her the changes she made, later as Sapphire was probably about to fire Rarity they show her the headdress and wouldn’t you know it. The change Sweetie Belle made was change the eye to a dolphin (Paleo would be proud) which just so happens to be Sapphire’s lucky animal.

So she loves it and we get a heartwarming talk with the two sisters with Sweetie saying she was sorry and admits the dresses were great, then the episode ends. WOW what a relatable episode, it was cute (why is Sweetie so cute as Evil Belle?), creepy at moments, very nice scenes and a sad scene that I can’t watch without my heart giving out but overall I LOVED THIS EPISODE! Not my fave this season, but gosh it was great and Sweetie Belle needs more episodes, this feels like it really could be a part two to her season 2 episode. Hm was there a moral? I really can’t tell, aw well who cares this was a lovable episode and can’t wait for more from these two. What else can I say? It wasn’t perfect but not any bad things I could point out this would so get a 5 Sweetie and Rarity hugs out of 5 just a good episode.

Hm what about next week’s episode who’s episode is it? YAY APPLEJACK! And it’s abou….oh dear...I won’t spoiler but will say this, I really dislikes the returning characters but always knowing one day they’ll return...if they aren’t redeemed most disliked FIM characters but we’ll see...has to be AJ’s key episode which adds to my worry/dislikement (it most likely won’t be as unpleasant as I’m worrying). Aw well if I dislike it I can always return to this gem! Here’s hoping for more Sweetie Belle episodes!

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March 24, 2014, 08:55:13 PM
Reply #179
Man that whole see the future dream scene guys, holy crap, just seeing Rarity's career and stability break down and seeing her become alone forever and lose everything she held dear and knowing it was all Sweetie's fault caused so many tears to shed for me. Oh my lord that was one of the most emotionally terrifying things I've seen in this show, that got me so into this episode and had me just cheering on Sweetie the whole time, and of course scared to no end for Rarity, that was incredible. Really shows how much I've become invested in these characters when just the thought of one of them losing everything and it being so close hits my heart so hard, ah this show *claps*

Emotions aside though uh, I must admit I'm not completely sure how I feel on this one. I think it's fitting that it seems in many ways like a sequel to Sisterhooves Social (even cooler when you realize that ep was about rarity going the extra mile for sweetie belle and now this is the reverse), because like Sisterhooves, this is an episode where if I turn off my thinking and just enjoy the emotions it makes me feel then I love this episode. But when I start thinking about it.........then I find little nitpicky things that bug me far too much like in Sisterhooves.

I think the big little thing that really bugs me in this one is Sweetie not really getting anything out of this. Maybe this is because the townsfolk all seemed to think Sweetie's play she worked so hard on was bad, but man I felt so bad for her at the start of the episode and kept hoping so much she'd get a sort of redemption and praise from someone but......she never did. I suppose what also elevated how much it bugged me was how they had such a perfect opportunity at the end with the dolphin, and Rarity or sapphire could of have easily said that while what Sweetie did to the dress wasn't as glamorous or refined as what Rartiy's done, that Sweetie had still done something special in her own way that was beautiful, even if it wasn't as much as Raritys. But.....that didn't happen. And then what really drove the nail in the coffin for me was the very last line, when Sweetie admits that everything she did, all her hard work on the play weren't as great as Raritys dress, and Rarity doesn't even try to comfort her or say that even then she's sure they must be good in their own way, she just takes the praise and thinks nothing of Sweetie's confidence.

This probably bugs me so much cause I've always been a firm believer that you can still be special and great even if you're not the best, and I was hoping so much the episode would say that never did, so as a result the moral felt kind of not good to me, like the moral was "you'll always be in someone's shadow but they aren't bad people so don't be angry at all even though you'll have every right to be angry by trying your best but still being upstaged so much by others" and that just doesn't sit well with me, and I felt so sorry for Sweetie Belle in the episode and like she was just being attacked the whole time with no appreciation coming her way ever, and yeah. In an episode where the moral is that people can have good intentions even when you don't expect it and that you shouldn't sabotage them, it then makes the beginning where Sweetie has the best intentions and tries so hard to put on a good show, and then have the townsfolk of ponyville just sham her and kill her mood seem to really not fit and I just didn't like it.

Like I said above though, this is reeeeal nitpicky and I'm sure I'll like the ep more on a rewatch, so back to positives!

Luna was so good in this episode. I love how she now has these sort of god like powers when dreaming and how instead of telling Sweetie Belle what to do she shows her and lets her learn on her own. She's such a fantastic teacher and role model to the fillies, it's no wonder everyone in ponyville is so nice and well mannered ♥

Having Luna relate her own relationship with Celestia to Rarity and Sweetie Belles was soooooooooooooo awesome too. What's so amazing about it is how it adds so much to Celestia and Luna's relationship without even showing them. Seeing Sweetie do evil things to Rarity from jealousy, and then realize her errors but see she might be too late, keeps the focus on Sweetie and Rarity, but then you realize this is exactly what happened to Luna, she got jealous, she did terrible things, then she saw she had to stop it, only she was too late.....
And as a result I just know when I rewatch Princess Twilight Sparkle and Friendship is Magic and see the scenes of Celestia and Luna when they battle and reunite after the mane 6 free Luna, it's going to hit me so much harder and those scenes are going to be so much more powerful with this new info in mind and how even though we barely saw her, I feel like I could get in and understand Luna so much more now. It's a really great storytelling technique to add more to the past without changing it, while still not taking away from the main current story, and I love that they did that so so much.

Those are my main thoughts really. Solid episode overall and definitely another show at how great Polsky has gotten, love him so much. :D
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March 25, 2014, 04:48:39 PM
Reply #180
So I just saw For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils...  Incidentally, many say it's a reference to the Ernest Hemmingway novel For Whom the Bell Tolls, but THAT was originally a line from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, and severall steps in my Sicknes, by poet John Donne in 1624!

Anyway, the episode...  *sigh*, I just don't know...  I don't want to hate this episode, nor do I think there's anything wrong with it, but it makes me depressed.  It's mostly based on the beginning of it, and also that it kind of gets personal for me.  Not that it's anything specific from the episode, but that the concept in general is not only a cliche I've seen dozens of times, but also something I just dealt with and I'm still a bit shaken from.  As a whole, the episode made me feel depressed, and I feel bad because I want to like the good bits, but...

...Well, I guess I should probably start explaining myself.

The episode opens up with Sweetie Belle eagerly helping Rarity with some outfits she's making for Sapphire Shores.  Not first off, it's interesting that we see Sapphire Shores of all ponies again in this episode, she really did feel like a one-off character in every sense of the word in A Dog and Pony Show, a means of kick-starting the actual plot of that episode, so it's nice to see her back again and as a continued costumer of Rarity.  And I suppose this also introduces the first kind of problem I have or had with this episode...  See, going into it, I knew how things would turn out, seeing as I saw a few preview clips of the episode, so I "knew" that Sweetie Belle would get angry at Rarity for having the dresses she made overshadow her role in the play or whatever...  Seeing her so willingly leap at the chance to help Rarity here, it's like a completely 180 compared to what we see of her after the commercial break.  What I find even more insulting is that Sweetie Belle asked Rarity to help with her dresses, so it's pretty much her own fault all of this happened.  Yeah, EVERYTHING in this is all Sweetie Belle's fault, and the fact that she KNEW how important Rarity's current project was, and that she actually took time from cutting it REALLY close to finishing it JUST to help out Sweetie Belle is-!

Um, okay, I think I'm getting ahead of myself, let's move to the next bit...

So it turns out, this isn't just any play, it's a play Sweetie Belle made herself; she writer it, she directed it, she made the background stuff, and she pretty much stars in it.  Then it's revealed that she didn't tell Rarity about this...  this is where it gets a little confusing and irritating for me...

Actually, a brief aside, this episode was written by Dave Polsky, and I have to say none of the Dave Polsky episodes this season feel like Dave Polsky episodes at all.  I would say I'm impressed, but I'm actually rather annoyed, because if there's one consistent thing I felt from these episodes, is incredibly small, minor, INCREDIBLY annoying bits, plus small shades of shabby writing.  Whether it be including all of the mane 6 (and Daring Do's broken leg that's instantly healed) in Daring Don't, the wonky timeframe and nopony noticing their in the presence of a princess in Rarity Takes Manehatten, Diamond Tiara and the CMC's motivation, plus doing a complete 180 on Princess Twilight and that confusing ending, in Twilight Time, and now this episode.  I'd like to say he's improving, but it also feels like something is lost.  See, while I've said that I don't find Dave Polsky's episode funny in the slightest, because his episodes were stupid and enraging and every time the episode tries to attempt humor I end up getting angry at it, but the thing is, if Dave Polsky wrote for a completely different show, one where he didn't have to shoehorn in morals or the lapses in logic are more acceptable then in MLP:FiM, he actaully wouldn't be that bad, and I probably wouldn't hate him that much.  Like I said, these episodes don't feel like Dave Polsky episode, and that's mostly because that essential signature part of his episodes are not present in any of them.  It feels really weird, and I'm not sure I like it.  Sure, I never laughed at any of his episodes because they're already so dumb and rage-inducing, but then again, there are still minor writing problems that still bug me, so not only does he still need to improve but he's also lost a bit of himself in the process.  ...That wasn't very brief at all.  Oh well.

Okay, so apparently, Sweetie Belle hasn't told Rarity about the play, or at the very least she hasn't "known about it for weeks", because this is her thing and she wanted it to be her thing, so that she could finally stand out on her own and not live in Rarity's shadow or something.  Here's the problem, when Rarity comes in, she says she knew this was Sweetie Belle's play.  So much for not telling her, right?  Not to mention, if she just wanted this to be her thing, why did she even bother to ask Rarity to help out at all?  ESPECIALLY when she hasn't been telling her that this was supposed to be her thing?!  And on top of that, just because she didn't want Rarity to steal the spotlight, that doesn't mean she can't tell her about it so that she can see it and be proud, right?  How is not telling her about the play at all, not even a vague invitation if I recall correctly, going to prevent her from stealing the spotlight, ESPECIALLY after you asked her for help on something!?

So yeah, these are these minor bit's of sloppy writing that tick me off about Dave Polsky, but honestly, it's not so much his writing this time, since this episode is actually very well written...  for him.  It's more about the main conflict, something I correctly assumed about the episode and wasn't all that pleased to to see here: Poor Communication Kills.  This is a recurring instigator of conflict since the beginning of the series, though admittedly I don't think I've been seeing it as much lately, and it's not one I'm particularly fond of, since after all, conflict could be resolved if a character or two could just sit down and explain themselves further in these sorts of plotlines.  It also doesn't help that I hate misunderstandings in general, especially ones where a party doesn't understand why the other party is upset like Rarity in this episode.  Anyone who knows me knows that I always want to reach an understanding whenever I talk to someone, so misunderstandings like this really bother me.  But it doesn't stop there.

Okay, this is about to get pretty personal, so sorry for bogging people down with my life issues, but I think it affected how I viewed this episode so I'll get it out there.  Lately, I've been having an...  awkward relationship with my younger sister, who's currently living at home with me and my parents.  For several days, she's been giving me harsh responses to things I've said, and I'm completely oblivious to why she's so upset with me.  What's even worse is that when I try to talk things out with her, and understand WHY she's upset, she ends up getting angrier with me because apparently I was the one acting like a jackass, so she was just giving my a jackass response to me in return, and I just didn't get it.  There were also a bunch of minor things that apparently leading up towards my sister interpreting what I say the wrong way, but honestly, all of these times felt like they came out of nowhere, and I was completely helpless to make amends with my sister since apparently she doesn't want to make amends.  Apparently, she's the type of person to just leave things as they are, whereas I'm the kind of person who dwells on negative feelings, even if she's already past it.

So yeah, communication and trying to express myself properly has always been an issue with me, and since this aspect of my has been recently brought up, plotlines like this where the conflict hinges on bad communication and jumping to conclusions, are a lot more sensitive to me.

Well, anyway, Sweetie Belle glares at the dresses Rarity made, but doesn't think much of it.  I watched the preview clip of this episode where we actually saw part of Sweetie Belle's play, and...  I didn't really notice it then, but...  I GUESS we're supposed to think the play's bad?  I mean, we didn't see much acting or hear much of the dialogue, so it's not much to go on.  Point is, everyone only seemed to remark on the dresses they wore because nothing else about the play stood out.  Also, the rest of the mane 6 couldn't stay because they had to help Rarity.  Sweetie Belle is upset, but honestly, she has no one else to blame but herself her, as she pretty much set herself up for failure.  I know someone will tell me that she's a kid, emotions cloud judgement, whatever, I don't care here, I just can't bring myself to sympathize with Sweetie Belle in this episode.  On the one hand, one could say we we're meant to sympathize with her, but at the same time, we want to see why she'd do what she did later in the episode, right?  I guess I can understand her frustrations, but honestly, again, I can't help but see it as her own dang fault since she didn't bother to tell Rarity that much about the play and THEN ask her to help with the dresses WHILE SHE WAS WORKING ON A VERY IMPORTANT DEADLINE that she's ALREADY way behind on!

I remember saying to myself before this episode aired that this episode seems to be a reversal of Sisterhooves Social because this time it's Sweetie Belle who's clearly in the wrong this time and Rarity is just trying to be a good sister.  I remember someone telling me it's not quite like that, but having seen the episode now, I can safely say, it is, point-for-point.  Well, maybe not point-for-point but still, can't help but draw parallels.

We see Rarity and the mane 6 working and Rarity puts the finishing touches on this particular headdress (people have pointed out that it's the Eye of Providence, in which case, I can't help but think Bill Cipher) and mentions a key part of the headdress that will have it fall apart if not there.  Sweetie Belle comes in, angry, and the mane 6 decide to leave.  I'm conflicted about this since they don't really do that much of anything in the episode, but they explain why they're in it and it makes sense so whatever.  This is the other scene I saw a preview of, and it's where I got the impression that this was a "Poor Communication Kills" plotline since you can clearly see that Rarity doesn't know what Sweetie Belle is so upset about, while Sweetie Belle is CLEARLY very upset with her and isn't doing a good job at explaining why, since she assumes she's totally aware of what she's doing.  Honestly, I didn't think it was THAT bad until I saw the set-up for this situation, and now I just feel it's so much worse...  personally. I don't think it's technically all that bad, but it just makes me feel awful.

Sweetie Belle is mad in her room while Rarity is concerned outside her room.  She thinks about talking it out, but then walks away when she sees that clearly Sweetie Belle is too mad an unreasonable to talk.  Incidentally, doesn't Sweetie Belle live with her parents?  I guess she must have her own room since she's clearly seen sleeping over there from time to time, but why is she staying at Rarity's tonight?  Are her parents away this time around as well?  Yet another parallel between this and Sisterhooves Social.  Sweetie Belle is so upset she can't even sleep.  I can relate, though not out of angry, more out of...  just being upset.  She then gets the devious idea to  "take back all the work she put up with" or something (seriously, Sweetie Belle seemed more then willing to help before, so...  eh, I guess she's viewing her actions through a different lens since she's so angry right now) by removing the key thread from that headdress Rarity made.  It's strange to see her looking so malicious then going back to sleep all clue-like...  guess that's a juxtaposition or something.  Also, Sweetie Belle's magic lessons have really been coming along, I'd say.

Sweetie Belle has a dream, or rather nightmare, in which she wins an aware and an evil Rarity cloud literally rains on her parade.  Then Luna shows up.  Okay, I'm just going to say it's really weird to see Luna like this after all the synopsis's I've read.  This feels very similar to her role in Sleepless in Ponyville, yet in almost all the synopsis's I've read, it's treating this as a major thing.  I mean, I guess it IS a major thing, it's what convinces Sweetie Belle that what she did was wrong, but at the same time, it feels like this part of the episode is better left unsaid or as a surprised.  It also feels weird that a lot of the synopsis's treat this very casually, whereas I feel like this would be more of a big thing, but whatever.

Oh, and you know that connection to Sweetie Belle that Luna has?  You know, the fact that she, too, has an older sister and got jealous of her outshining herself?  It's brought up only once (twice if you're being generous), as a small aside that can easily be missed.  ...Oh well, missed potential but whatever.

Then the plot goes all Christmas Carol on us as Luna acts as the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future/Yet to Come, showing visions of the past, the present, and...  somehow the future.  Um, yeah, I GUESS you can say that she's using the power of dreams to create some of these visions, but I have to wonder how she accessed certain things that Sweetie Belle wasn't there for...  through Rarity's memories?  Are all the pony minds connected?  I find it weird that she has these kinds of powers when...  you know that, I'll save that for a later complaint I have.

Anyway, we see what Sweetie Belle was referring to when she was complaining about Rarity on her fifth birthday.  As a brief aside, I have to say, those fillies and colts that are at an interesting in-between of the fillies and colts we see in the CMC and the baby ponies we see in the Cake Twins.  Their faces also remind me greatly of the Breezies, which is probably why I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not they're cute.  Anyway, Sweetie Belle wanted to be the center of attention on her big day, but found that Rarity was giving all the ponies things she made, and all the kids were praising her, just as Sweetie Belle came downstairs...  Luna shows her that Sweetie Belle was taking so long to get ready that all the kids were getting bored and were about to leave, and Rarity, wanting to make sure they didn't leave, made them stay by giving them the things that were supposed to be for after the party, and as soon as Sweetie Belle left, Rarity said that the party things were Sweetie Belle's idea and that they should be taking her for them instead of Rarity.  We then see Rarity fretting one last time over her date with Sapphire Shores, and Sweetie Belle hopes that it goes over fine, now seeing that Rarity isn't as selfish as Sweetie Belle assumed...  only for Luna to remind her of what she did, and we see what the future will supposedly look like...  I get that this is supposed to make Sweetie Belle realize what a terrible thing she's done, but somehow, I feel like it's a wee bit to exaggerated to be that affective.  Everypony laughing at Rarity when the headdress falls apart, Sapphire Shores making a bit deal about her "ex-outfit designer", I feel were REALLY pushing it, like I just can't see that actually happening.  That scene were Fluttershy asks for a dress feels weird, because it almost feels like the way she's asking it is deliberately taunting Rarity, and again, I feel like Fluttershy wouldn't act like that, or be so oblivious to Rarity's problems.  That being said, Rarity acting crazy and getting progressively worse as her career goes down the gutter, I could totally see that happening.

It's from here on out that the episode gets better, though I'm not sure if I like it, and unfortunately, I can't really explain why...  I guess it's because I'm still bitter about the beginning and there are certain moments that just don't feel right, but whatever.  Sweetie Belle wakes up, dashes to Rarity's room, only to find out she's already left.  Sweetie Belle gets Apple Bloom and Scootaloo and takes a train to Canterlot (again, this feels so weird coming off of Somepony to Watch Over Me, where even though the lesson was somehow learned that Applejack shouldn't be so overprotective of Apple Bloom, a situation like this feels like something AB would do normally with the other CMC and Applejack wouldn't bat and eye about.  Finding more reasons to not like that episode as time goes on... almost makes me feel better.  Anyway...).  Interesting aside, they take this time to further establish who and what Sapphire Shores is; a pop star apparently, one with a number of albums.  I feel like I know what she's supposed to be a reference to, but I can't think of it.  The thing that keeps coming to mind is Lady Gaga, but Sapphire Shores isn't THAT out-there.  Apple Bloom and Scootaloo are so excited about seeing Sapphire Shores, despite Sweetie Belle reminding them that that's NOT why they're going on this trip; kind of like how the CMC were excited to go to the Crystal Empire, despite Spike wanting to get Angel back.  At least Sweetie Belle now knows what it's like to have the shoe on the other foot...  Also, Sweetie Belle apparently doesn't like Sapphire Shores, instead, she listens to...  Showtunes or Ponytunes, I forget which.  Given how Apple Bloom and Scootaloo react, I'm guessing it's not that popular.

There are scenes of Rarity watching Sapphire Shores and her back-up dancers rehearse and I'm not sure what to think of it all.  Literally I got nothing.  The CMC get there, but the guard is keeping them out, assuming their just fans wanting to see Sapphire Shores.  They managed to get in through the window, just in the nick of time, and the CMC play keep away with Rarity, who I'm sure is incredibly flustered by all of this.  Again, I can't help but deeply sympathize with Rarity throughout all of this, given how she didn't realize she's done anything wrong and now is having this very important moment messed up by her sister.  Then Sweetie Belle runs into Luna, and assumes it's a dream...  to which Luna says it's not.

Okay, rant time: what is Luna doing there?  I know she technically lives in Canterlot, but why is she in that one specific building?  Is she really there to help out this one random filly she met in her dreams?  Really, if she's willing to go THAT far for one random subject of hers, you have to wonder how the Hell she got so upset at her subjects enough to transform into Nightmare Moon!  Seriously, the whole concept of Luna going into ponies dreams poked holes into the logic that went into the original origin story of Nightmare Moon, and the conflict therein, but this is just taking it to ridiculous levels with out much she's going out of her way just to help one of her subjects.  Hell, this whole season just keeps finding ways to weaken the original conflict between Luna and Celestia, starting with the season premiere, where the weight and gravity of Luna's transformation and banishment is squished into a single 5-mintue action sequence that had almost nothing to do with the rest of the two-parter, and NO, I DON'T by the idea that it was meant to emphasis the importance of being a princess for Twilight or whatever shit I heard a certain someone try to explain to me when I complained about this before, because it all just feels like a bait-and-switch, making part one end on Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon and having part two barely be about it!  It's stupid and I hate it, they totally ruined Luna'Nightmare Moon's backstory with that one five-minute sequence, and it wasn't even THAT impressive of an action scene, because all I can think of was "Why did Celestia immediately jump into banishing her instead of trying to revert her?" or "Why the Hell did TWILIGHT say they were going to banish her again, did she forget that she and her friends reverted her?!"  Fuck you Meghan McCarthy, fuck you for messing this shit up-

Whoa...  God damn, I got way too heated with that...  What I'm getting at is, Luna's role in this story and in the modern story in general is confusing and contradictory.  At least she helps out Sweetie Belle with a suggestion for going above and beyond.

Rarity angrily confronts Sweetie Belle about this, and Sweetie Belle immediately apologizes and explains what she did.  Rarity is naturally upset with this, and is even more upset/confused when she sees what Sweetie Belle did with her headdress, but Sweetie Belle assures her that it'll be fine.  Of course, Sapphire Shores isn't impressed with what just happened...  really, I guess I'm so used to celebrity ponies being lenient and more willing to accept mishaps like this, that this just comes off as, well, snobbish, on Sapphire's part.  Not that it matters, as Rarity shows her the headdress, and while she wasn't too impressed at first, Sweetie Belle points out the stitching in the center of it...  stitching done in pink thread so it sticks out like a sore thumb, since everything else is blue or at leas darker shades of certain colors.  Hell, I'd say that sticking really clashes, not just because of the color, but because it's so simple and not nearly as showy as everything else, but, since the stitching is in the shape of a dolphin, Sapphire's lucky animal, she loves it.  She makes a passing aside about seeing it in her dreams, and that's supposed to explain where Sweetie Belle got the idea from.  Can't help but feel REALLY creeped out by Luna's dream powers, in addition to being annoyed by how...  well, I already ranted about that.  So Sweetie Belle apologizes again, Rarity accepts their apology, and they hug, and it's cute.

Hell, a lot of this episode is really cute, which makes sense, seeing as Sweetie Belle is cute.  this whole season has been cuter, cuter then any previous season, actually.  Season one was kind of stilted, the characters being more static in their movements, which makes sense, seeing as Lauren Faust said they didn't have much to work with; season 2 feels a lot more while with the animation, but not really "cute", as I feel a lot of the time, the pupils are a bit too small, plus the mouth shapes got really weird a lot of the time.  Season 3 was basically an extension of season 2 as I see it, but season 4, it's really adorable!  Really the best the series has gotten so far in terms of looks!  ...BTW, I have no comment on the dream sequence, other then "yeah...  that's what I'd expect out of a dream sequence".

So I guess those are my thoughts on For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils...  I'm really depressed right now...  Probably because...  okay, you know what, I don't want to get any more personal then I already did, so I'll save that, though I think I know why I'm so depressed at the moment, or why I can't get over what I didn't like about the episode...  Which sucks because I'm more inclined to being forgiving this season, and with this episode, but part of me doesn't want to get over my negative feelings.  Maybe I'll watch it again, when I'm in a better mood.  I doubt it'll do any good, since my feelings rarely change when I view something I didn't really like a second time.  Anyway, that's it, so I'm out...

March 25, 2014, 10:42:12 PM
Reply #181

March 28, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
Reply #182
Looks like this one was a hit.

Its now the third most watched episode of FIM of all time.
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March 28, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
Reply #183
This episode confirmed my suspicions....sweetie belle is secretly evil....I TOLD :CrazyTwi1:
Sleep? what's that? I believe you mean PARRRTAY!!

March 28, 2014, 11:56:39 PM
Reply #184
This episode confirmed my suspicions....sweetie belle is secretly evil....I TOLD :CrazyTwi1:
And a robot...
"The answer, always, is the Wolves of Fenris, because they are clinically insane."
-Lunar Wolves Captain Torgaddon on the subject of the toughest Space Marine Legion.

"Bribery and threats are always popular, but generally avoided, especially if you're likely to attract inquisitorial attention as they're better at both and tend to resent other people resorting to their methods."
-Commissar Ciaphas Cain on winning over Tribunals.

I've been brainwashed so many times there is nothing left in here but soap suds

March 30, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Reply #185
And a robot...
Definatly a robot....that wasn't even a suspicion i ruled that as fact as soon as i seen her.
Sleep? what's that? I believe you mean PARRRTAY!!

April 06, 2014, 06:15:25 PM
Reply #186

April 21, 2014, 12:54:25 PM
Reply #187
At first I wondered why Luna was going out of her way to help a filly with a problem that is, compared to Luna's royal duties, very insignificant.  Then I guessed that because of her history and time away, Luna tries her best to help anypony with any problem regardless of how insignificant it is in the grand scheme of things.

Also, for a brief second, Sweetie Belle had her squeak back!
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