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December 07, 2013, 02:26:46 PM
Reply #50
So I take it I'm the only one who thought the ring was a reference to LOTR and not something from the last five years that these forty-something year old writers wouldn't know about?
I didn't say it was a reference. In fact, I pointed out that I didn't think it was a reference
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December 07, 2013, 02:26:52 PM
Reply #51
So I saw Daring Don't; it took a while because of work, preparing for a Christmas Party tonight, and my sister was watching a show, but I finally saw it!

It was good.  I didn't enjoy it that much, though I think that's honestly just personal preference.  It certainly wasn't bad in any way, and not nearly as annoying as anything from the previous seasons.  Hell, even though Dave Polsky is my least-favorite writer, if I didn't know he wrote this episode before I saw it, I probably wouldn't have guessed it was him!  Although...  no, you know what, nevermind, this episode is good...  Time for my extensive thoughts/first impressions of the episode!

Okay, first thing out of the way, this episode TOTALLY where I thought it would go, judging by the promo screenshots and clips I've seen.  I remember saying this season would be the best season ever if I thought it was true, and it turned out to be so: Daring Do is real, and the books she writes are based on her adventures!  I'll be honest, I was a little nervous about how this would be handled.  I was worried that they were going to do the Castle Mane-ia thing, where it's revealed at the last minute that it's all true after the ponies figure it's not (which I don't like, honestly), or that she WASN'T really real.  This is a minor thing of mine, but I'm rather annoyed by fiction within fiction.  I can't grow to like/understand/get into whatever the characters are into because I know it isn't real.  Yeah, this show isn't real either, but that's what's called "Willing Suspension of Disbelief".  So even though the Daring Do books have their own fans, and seem really cool, I can't get into them because they're just fictional in this world (or so we thought).  It doesn't help that what goes on IN the books are only talked about, and not given much detail over.  But now, knowing that the stories ARE real, and Daring Do, Ahuizotl, and everything in the books are real in the pony universe, it just seems so cool to me, and makes all the action Daring Do goes through all the more interesting...  for me, anyway.

...Of course, while watching this episode, I came to a realization that didn't occur to me.  So apparently all these adventures are real...  How did Daring Do manage to keep this a secret?  You'd think all these ancient cities, civilizations, and whatever would be better known, or at least better known to Twilight, though then again, she probably just thought the author used real settings in a work of fiction.  Also, there's Ahuizotl, how is HE kept a secret?  He doesn't seem that secretive at all, and especially since Celestia send the mane 6 to deal with Equestria's biggest problems, you'd think she'd do something about Ahuizotl...  though really, if Daring Do has it covered, then I guess there's no need.  Still, I wonder if Ahuizotl knows Discord, or any of the other villains of Equestria...

Also, I'm about to go into nitpick territory now; if Daring Do works alone because he keeps a lot of secrets and is basically untrusting of anypony, then why did she even write the books to begin with?  How did she manage to keep all this a secret while writing of her adventures and making a profit off of it?  Also, you CAN'T tell me that Rainbow Dash was the first pony to do something this crazy!  Her books are really popular, why hasn't anyone else, besides her publisher, tried to contact her?  How hard would it really be to find A.K. Yearling's address?  Speaking of address, I like the homage to Indiana Jones (and the joke that Pinkie Pie is actually painting their trail), but just how far out of the way IS her home?  ...Far enough to make sure no one knows that the Daring Do tales aren't true, apparently.  But if they're THAT far out of the way, then how did the mane 6 get there so fast?  Maybe it took them several days to get there...  But they didn't pack any food or rations, and it didn't look like they traveled that far, so-

Okay, you know what, I'm being too mean, I said I liked this episode, and I do.  Though I'm just going to get all my other grievances with this episode out of the way right now:

So apparently, this episode confirms that Twilight does, indeed, still like in the library in Ponyville, which...  ugh, fine...  I don't like the idea that Twilight has ascended to being an important figure, a freaking PRINCESS, yet has gone back to essentially living her normal live in Ponyville.  I EXPECTED big changes from this, not just Twilight gaining wings, being a potential stand-by ruler, and having a now seemingly minor relationship thing with her friends.  Yeah, I still like how they handled Twilight's relationship with her friends in Ponyville, in that they're still adjusting to Twilight being a princess, but I thought it would have been stronger if Twilight was living away from her friends, i.e. with Celestia or in her own castle.  Since that's not the case, it just feels like yet another friendship lesson to be learned, then straight back to the normal status quo, only now Twilight has wings, and she's "technically" a princess.  It's just...  really frustrating to me, because I felt that a change like this should denote bigger changes, like everything's different now!  But, I guess I'll get over it...

Rainbow Dash, before finding out A.K. Yearling was Daring Do, behaved really creepily.  It's clear she's more interested in the books then she is about the actual author.  I said this on another topic, but she reminds me of Annie Wilkes from Stephen King's Misery.  Which makes me wonder, if A.K. Yearling wasn't Daring Do, and Twilight and her friends weren't with Rainbow Dash to keep her in line, what, exactly, would Rainbow Dash do to her...

So Twilight and Rainbow Dash talking Daring Do, and giving us a quick overview of the mythology and her adventures, I feel annoyed to be left out of this conversations and be totally confused about it all.  Which I GUESS is the joke, but I honestly would appreciate it more if I actually understood what was going on...  I'd like to fully know what Ahuizotl's plans were, and I don't think I got it the first time, through.  It sounded like a world-changing catastrophe, which again, begs the question of why Celestia (or Luna) doesn't get involved.

As cool as all the Daring Do situations are, I feel like her "I work alone" thing feels pretty lame and cliched, ESPECIALLY in a series that promotes working together, and is pretty much the point of the entire show.  I was actually surprised that Twilight wanted to let Daring Do do things alone, given all she's learned about friendship...  Then again, maybe it's like A Friend in Deed, where she recognized that some people prefer their privacy and would rather be left alone...  Besides, Daring Do manages to get out of scraps all the time by herself, so why think that she needs help now?  Still, it irked me a bit, especially when she finally comes around to Rainbow Dash.  Not that it was contrived or anything, just felt a little dull and predictable for my tastes.

Daring Do's "disguise" to fool Dr. Caballeron.  Could he SERIOUSLY not tell that was Daring Do with a squashed hat and a bunch of dirt and leaves on her face?  I mean, she has the same eyes, coat, mane, and even the same clothes and freaking CUTIE MARK, I mean jumping Jiminy how stupid can you be?!  Then again, maybe her cutie mark was covered and I didn't notice...

Rainbow Dash shouting to Daring Do about her hat while the latter's fighting...  come on, really Rainbow Dash?  You really think she's going to care about her hat at a time like this?

Also, the rest of the mane 6 talking to Rainbow Dash about what just happened, trying to make her feel better, I felt like it took too long.  Not in terms of pacing, in terms of the mane 6 giving her comforting words, and Rainbow Dash turning them down.  By the time Twilight gave her rousing speech to Rainbow Dash, I felt like RD was completely convinced, and nothing else the others would say could change her.  Of course, she does come around, but I felt like it took longer then it should have.  Didn't feel believable...  Neither did Daring Do finally accepting Rainbow Dash's help.  Then again, I guess I thought that maybe she really COULD have made it on her own, but I guess she was just still reluctant about accepting help.  Still, it felt a little forced, and...  a wee bit contrived, maybe?  Huh, I guess Dave Polsky's touch is still present after all...  though at the very least, the climax isn't ridiculous and stupid, but actually pretty epic.

So apparently Daring Do wrote Rainbow Dash into the book...  And even put her on the cover?  Okay, how are you going to keep THAT a secret?!  I mean, I SUPPOSE you can concoct an lie about developing a friendship with Rainbow Dash in "real life", but still, are you going to trust Rainbow Dash to keep her mouth shut about this, given how much she obsesses over Daring Do?  Then again, she didn't specifically mention Daring Do while writing in her journal...  Speaking of which, glad they followed up on that from Castle Mane-ia, but it's in Rainbow Dash's home?  So, do they pass around the journal when they want to write something?  I figured it would be left in one place, like Twilight's home or something...  Guess I hadn't given it that much thought.

I THINK that's all the things I didn't like...  Time for the stuff I DID like!

Fluttershy teaching those little chicks how to fly.  Those chicks...  they don't seem like the standard design of the show for some reason...  Also, they're circling Rainbow's head when they crash!

Pinkie's random party!  Fun times (and thankfully Pinkie isn't AS obnoxious as usual here).

All the action scenes with Daring Do.  They really captured the feel of a given Indiana Jones flick!  Speaking of which, like I said before, the map and the line gag, brilliant!

When the mane 6 show up to confront Ahuizotl, I like that he doesn't go "who are you?!"  It seems like a stereotypical thing to say, a villain used to facing a certain hero only to be confronted by someone completely different.  But saying that wouldn't make sense here, seeing as the mane 6 and ESPECIALLY Twilight now are world-famous, and just because Ahuizotl and Daring Do's adventures are a secret to everyone, that shouldn't mean the reverse is true.  So obviously, Ahuizotl knows who these ponies are, he just wouldn't expect them to be here.  Instead, he immediately orders his minions to hurry with the ritual, because he doesn't want anyone to interfere, and the sooner the better for him!

I liked how Daring Do finally acknowledges having help here; she probably would have just taking the ring and prevented the ritual, but thanks to the mane 6, she not only managed to remove all the rings (with Rainbow Dash's added strength and the rest of the mane 6 as a distraction), but also crumpled the temped as well!

Seeing more of Rainbow Dash's home!  At first, I thought she had moved to live in a Wonderbolt place or something, because of the big statue in the foyer...  Hell, as epic as Rainbow Dash's home looks on the outside, I didn't expect it to look quite so extravagant on the inside!  It's really impressive, and makes me jealous that I don't live there!

It's that same mailpony from the two-parter...  I'm guessing he's going to be a regular character at this point.

Lastly, I have to wonder, will we see more Ahuizotl?  Will he strike back against the mane 6 in addition to trying to kill Daring Do?  Will Daring Do be a regular supporting character from now on?  Oh, the possibilities are ENDLESS and I LOVE IT!

So that's what I thought of this episode...  I think I got everything I wanted to say out there.  Again, good, but for me, not that great.  Well done Dave Polsky.

December 07, 2013, 02:49:33 PM
Reply #52
The ring going into the fire place reminded me of Lord of the Rings as well, but it also reminded me of the first Indiana Jones movie, when the nazis attack the bar at the beginning of the movie. There was something that was flaming hot that that one nazi dude tried to grab, I forget what it was right now. Either Indy or his girlfriend in that movie grabbed it with a cloth after the nazi burned his hand and shrieked, haha.

December 07, 2013, 02:59:24 PM
Reply #53
Also, I'm about to go into nitpick territory now; if Daring Do works alone because he keeps a lot of secrets and is basically untrusting of anypony, then why did she even write the books to begin with?  How did she manage to keep all this a secret while writing of her adventures and making a profit off of it?  Also, you CAN'T tell me that Rainbow Dash was the first pony to do something this crazy!  Her books are really popular, why hasn't anyone else, besides her publisher, tried to contact her?  How hard would it really be to find A.K. Yearling's address?  Speaking of address, I like the homage to Indiana Jones (and the joke that Pinkie Pie is actually painting their trail), but just how far out of the way IS her home?  ...Far enough to make sure no one knows that the Daring Do tales aren't true, apparently.  But if they're THAT far out of the way, then how did the mane 6 get there so fast?  Maybe it took them several days to get there...  But they didn't pack any food or rations, and it didn't look like they traveled that far, so-
I've heard about real authors doing this kind of thing in real life. While I admit it is a bit of a stretch, I don't think it's that hard to believe
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December 07, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Reply #54
I've heard about real authors doing this kind of thing in real life. While I admit it is a bit of a stretch, I don't think it's that hard to believe
Yeah, but she's an adventurer first and an author second.  If she's so reclusive that she denies help at every turn, why does she write about these things anyway?  Like you said, it's a bit of a stretch, but again, not enough to break the episode.

December 07, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
Reply #55
I've heard about real authors doing this kind of thing in real life. While I admit it is a bit of a stretch, I don't think it's that hard to believe
Yeah, I know of people in all fields doing this crap, even down to wrestlers who were on TV shows weekly.

Hell, A Series Of Unfortunate Events somewhat did a running joke with this. The writer who does those books takes on the character of Lemony Snicket and decided to play it meta, acting like Snicket is somehow related to the series in the books while the actual writer pretends he's the speaker for Snicket. Of course, anyone who looks into it can see the truth, but it was fun that the writer decided to go all meta with the series.

TOO MANY FLUTTERSHYING CONS

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December 07, 2013, 03:06:13 PM
Reply #56
Yeah, but she's an adventurer first and an author second.  If she's so reclusive that she denies help at every turn, why does she write about these things anyway?  Like you said, it's a bit of a stretch, but again, not enough to break the episode.

It's possibly there as a source of income and plausible deniability. Fewer people are going to go after something if they assume it's fictional.

December 07, 2013, 03:08:07 PM
Reply #57
I actually thought the secretive author thing under a fake alias was a reference to Lemony Snicket
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December 07, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
Reply #58
It's possibly there as a source of income and plausible deniability. Fewer people are going to go after something if they assume it's fictional.
But if the places she goes to are real, doesn't anypony go there and ask about Daring Do?  I know they've mostly talked about temples when referring to the books, which are typically "lost" so to speak, but surely she must go other places.

December 07, 2013, 03:11:42 PM
Reply #59
But if the places she goes to are real, doesn't anypony go there and ask about Daring Do?  I know they've mostly talked about temples when referring to the books, which are typically "lost" so to speak, but surely she must go other places.

They wouldn't ask about Daring Do or any of the others because, as far as they, know they are just fictional characters. Not to mention that even if people knew the locations in her books are real they are likely remote and dangerous so it's unlikely they will go there.

December 07, 2013, 03:14:54 PM
Reply #60
They wouldn't ask about Daring Do or any of the others because, as far as they, know they are just fictional characters. Not to mention that even if people knew the locations in her books are real they are likely remote and dangerous so it's unlikely they will go there.
I still find it hard to believe, knowing fandoms, they don't go to these places and ask about Daring Do.  Hell, people actually go to King's Cross Station and ask about Platform 9 3/4, so who's to say other pony fans don't (jokingly or otherwise) ask about Daring Do at these places?

December 07, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Reply #61
I still find it hard to believe, knowing fandoms, they don't go to these places and ask about Daring Do.  Hell, people actually go to King's Cross Station and ask about Platform 9 3/4, so who's to say other pony fans don't (jokingly or otherwise) ask about Daring Do at these places?

Sure they might, but they are likely going to get looked at funny or laughed at for asking about an assumed fictional character. Besides, by the time they learn about the locations, anything worth keeping secret are probably no longer relevant. The Daring Do fans would have to get lucky and go to one of these far off and remote "lost" places when Daring Do or somepony connected to the story is there to actually get anything. That is if they can actually find and reach those locations.

December 07, 2013, 03:24:33 PM
Reply #62
Admittedly, it is kind of true that there are a lot of people in real life that go to see the real Cairo cave area from the first Indiana Jones a lot (on horseback like in the movie, at that). However, just because the ponies might go to see the real dungeons doesn't mean they'll find anything
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December 07, 2013, 03:25:13 PM
Reply #63
Sure they might, but they are likely going to get looked at funny or laughed at for asking about an assumed fictional character. Besides, by the time they learn about the locations, anything worth keeping secret are probably no longer relevant. The Daring Do fans would have to get lucky and go to one of these far off and remote "lost" places when Daring Do or somepony connected to the story is there to actually get anything. That is if they can actually find and reach those locations.
Why would they be looked at funny or laughed at?  These ponies who live in the places Daring Do visited have SEEN Daring Do, they know she's real!  I mean, do these people just assume that there was a Daring Do look-alike going around re-enacting what she does in the books?  What about before the first book, did people who meet her before the first book think it was just a strange coincidence that there was a pony who looked and acted just like Daring Do before the first book was written?

Also, and maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to believe that ponies would think the Daring Do books are "obviously fictional", given all the strange things that happen in Equestria on a regular basis.

December 07, 2013, 03:26:39 PM
Reply #64
Well, just saw it, and interestingly, my opinion of it is different than any other episode.
I didn't particularly care for the plot for the same reason I didn't particularly like Reed it and Weep. I don't like characters like Daring Do. I find them drab. The show pulls it off well, but I still don't like characters like her. So in this episode I took that at note before watching and focused on the little things, things like Twilight saying "Mind is officially Blown" and such cracked a few smiles. But the morals of the episode (of which there were plenty, surprisingly) are what really made the episode for me, as these morals are something less for kids and more for us. We put the show runners on high pedestals and assume the greatest of them but the worst of the lesser writers as consequence, and we bug and pester our fanfiction writers to hurry up with the next chapter, I find this episode, either intentionally or unintentionally, is just one of the best episodes for the fandom to remember because of this.

I don't think I could properly grade this episode because I didn't really pay attention to the story all that much, but on a realm of enjoyment, B+.
Expectations can be had and still be surprised from them, they just have to be managed properly.

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December 07, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
Reply #65
All the Daring Do stories that we've seen take place in locations with no one around, except plot important characters. And considering Indiana Jones esque stories tend to take place in ancient ruins, it would make sense that NO ONE lives in any of these places, or at least the ones who did have all been dead for thousands of years
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December 07, 2013, 03:33:26 PM
Reply #66
Well, just saw it, and interestingly, my opinion of it is different than any other episode.
I didn't particularly care for the plot for the same reason I didn't particularly like Reed it and Weep. I don't like characters like Daring Do. I find them drab. The show pulls it off well, but I still don't like characters like her. So in this episode I took that at note before watching and focused on the little things, things like Twilight saying "Mind is officially Blown" and such cracked a few smiles. But the morals of the episode (of which there were plenty, surprisingly) are what really made the episode for me, as these morals are something less for kids and more for us. We put the show runners on high pedestals and assume the greatest of them but the worst of the lesser writers as consequence, and we bug and pester our fanfiction writers to hurry up with the next chapter, I find this episode, either intentionally or unintentionally, is just one of the best episodes for the fandom to remember because of this.

I don't think I could properly grade this episode because I didn't really pay attention to the story all that much, but on a realm of enjoyment, B+.
Expectations can be had and still be surprised from them, they just have to be managed properly.

Oh yeah, the lesson...  It reminds me of how I keep complimenting people, and some people compliment me back, and I act all modest, since I have low self-esteem.  My personal trainer is helping me get over that.  I also forgot to mention how Rainbow Dash is reacting pretty much like how she'd react hanging out with the Wonderbolts, and just like those other times, she tends to have a low view of herself.  For as much as she brags, she actually puts HERSELF at high standards more then anything, trying to keep those high standards causes her a lot of stress.

December 07, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
Reply #67
Why would they be looked at funny or laughed at?  These ponies who live in the places Daring Do visited have SEEN Daring Do, they know she's real!  I mean, do these people just assume that there was a Daring Do look-alike going around re-enacting what she does in the books?  What about before the first book, did people who meet her before the first book think it was just a strange coincidence that there was a pony who looked and acted just like Daring Do before the first book was written?

Also, and maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to believe that ponies would think the Daring Do books are "obviously fictional", given all the strange things that happen in Equestria on a regular basis.

All the ponies who live where? All the places that she has visited are relatively isolated with no pony in sight save for villains, and they have no incentive to reveal her identity and compromise their own secrecy. She was probably not the same pony before she started adventuring as after or that she even looked the same.

Just because the events are plausible or could happen does not mean that they actually did happen. No one would think that the events in police procedurals actually happened despite them being similar to things that actually happened.

December 07, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
Reply #68
All the Daring Do stories that we've seen take place in locations with no one around, except plot important characters. And considering Indiana Jones esque stories tend to take place in ancient ruins, it would make sense that NO ONE lives in any of these places, or at least the ones who did have all been dead for thousands of years
Yeah, thing about that is that Indiana Jones interacts with people to get to the places he explores...  and even then, he usually has someone accompanying him, whether it's that digger friend of his, an annoying Asian kid and an even MORE annoying lady friend, or his dad.  I find it hard to believe that, in ALL the stories of Daring Do, she's had no such personal interaction with anypony.

Oh, and what about Dr. Caballeron, how come nopony knows about him?  HE'S in the books, don't you think he'd use that against Daring Do or something?

December 07, 2013, 03:38:48 PM
Reply #69
This episode was painful to watch. I think this is the first time I've had to stop watching halfway through due to cringe-factor. I could not stand the majority of this episode.

Things I liked: Daring Do confirmed to be an actual, canon pony, rather than one that's just in a fictional work inside of another fictional work. Fanfic writers will probably have a field day with that.

Wow, I thought there would be more than one thing I liked about the episode, but nothing else comes to mind.

So in case I haven't made it clear enough already, I hated this episode. It is the only episode in the show's existence that I actually hate. I don't have much more to say about it.
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December 07, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
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I um...had to missed out on the episode stream due to Christmas shoppng...  :'( So if anyone has the episode at youtube please message me it as until I see it won't view here due to spoilers.

Never mind this as I just saw it! WRITTEN REVIEW TIME!~ Firstly let me say I thought this was going to be all a dream Rainbow get hit in the head or something (she crashed into a tree with birds flying around her head, P.S cute Fluttershy scene but isn't that the MOTHER'S job?) but turns out it wasn't. So Daring Do is REAL huh she's 100% real and write all her adventures into books? AWESOME!~ And sorta funny as to be honest one of  my friends had a theory/headcanon where Daring Do was a real pony but she wrote everything into her book series so wait until he sees it epic moment when a thing you like to believe/think is REAL IN THE SHOW! XD

So Daring goes by another name "Yearling" so is that her "real" name and Daring Do is the fake name or the other way around? She also has a address that the Mane6 used to find her, yeah she might wanna remove her address...the episode starting out with Rainbow having to wait 4 months for the brand new book and during Pinkie's random party (that's the name the party is random) she learnt it was pushed 2 more months and gets in a little thing with Twilight about her being Daring Do's biggest fan but even tho Rainbow Dash is more into it so much it could be  the only thing she cares about Twilight knows all the other stuff like where the writer lives.

The Mane6 went to the writers' house (P.S cool map scene but why was Pinkie making a red line? So they could use it to get back?) as Rainbow thought they could help her with whatever is keeping her from finishing the book, and I gotta say seeing the writer I knew right away she looked exactly like Daring Do but figured "that's just because she imaged the character after her" but when she put on the usually gear and seeing Rainbow's and Twilight's reaction I was caught by surprised a little, I thought tho about what making her real would do as not only was she real but so was all the characters some even thrashing her home just to get a ring she got and hid in a book that has a locked with numbers in it.

I sorta like Daring Do being real however...we now know ever single book (probably) was a real event and like this one, the whole place was almost doomed and Daring Do saved the world more then once. Btw Ahuizotl is real and so is his ARMRY OF CATS! XD Funny to resee them even the small one, but since the books are real events (or not we never got a clear answer if they were or not just that the characters were real) how come Celestia hadn't you know, put a stop to Ahuizotl as well as everything he tried to do? Shouldn't she be aware of him and Daring Do likewise being aware/seeing the past events like Discord's first return/the season 4 episode? Wouldn't she go and try and figure out what was going on? (Yeah making her real sorta makes the adventures the Mane6 go on not all that cool anymore as other ponies like Daring Do herself had saved the world more then they had probably really how come no pony figured she was real up to now as well as the villains wondering why they are in boo-WELL maybe that's how they found her house?)

As much as I enjoyed Daring Do being real I...feel/think as if this episode should've been just a dream by Rainbow and here's why. Since Daring Do and Ahuizotl are real they sorta give more questions, like they have old temple ponies like we used to have and may still have? If the ponies who broke into her house know where she lives and if the Mane6 could get her address so easily why hasn't Ahuizotl (or any of her fans) tried to go there and get her in her sleep or something? Also now fans will be wanting to see Daring Do even more and unless she gets a spinoff her fans will be annoyed I know I will as I wanna know and see more of her she's a cool character and to know she's real is awesome they can't just never show her again, and no reading her book in a episode doesn't count that would annoy some fans who want to see her outside the book again SSSSOOOOO we may not get to see anymore of books as we may just get her herself from now on unless it's a slight nod to past episodes.

When I saw the Mane6 finding her house I was reminded of a Hey Arnold episode the one where Arnold goes to meet his hero who is a book writer to do a report on her, but she isn't the person he thought she was and was pretty terrible. But at the end when she found out even tho as awful as she was she was still his hero which inspired her to write a new book with I guess had them as characters, I thought "man that would be a great route for this episode" and I thought Daring Do did look sorta cute in her outfit that covers her wings and forehead up but anyways they went the route where she was real and the writer herself.

While that wasn't bad it probably wasn't the best choice per-say...wow just lost my train of thought ANYWAYS by making her real and all her books are based from her real life adventures they missed out on a great chance of the route "people aren't always what you think even tho they make stuff you enjoy so much" while they could've done that they sorta didn't as Daring Do was just like she was in the book we saw her in last...wow rewatching that episode is gonna be weird knowing it's true.

I still think they should've made it where the writer isn't what Rainbow was expecting and in fact she disliked her and it almost ruins her love for the book but it gets fix later, the writer could still look like Daring heck it could've still BEEN Daring Do but retired no longer a adventurer and she just lives quitly alone for some peace and quite but Rainbow Dash being one of her if not her biggest fan gets on her nerves but when her old biggest rival (AKA Ahuizotl) returns Rainbow Dash helps her get back into her old days of glory to save the ring, or whatever. XD

Also does this mean Rainbow Dash would not read the books as often because she knowa and probably is friends with Daring Do now so sure she could go and talk with her hero, btw at first Daring Do rejected any help but later it was revealed she got caught on purposs so she could get inside the temple where she let Rainbow Dash help her take down the whole place with her friends' help, um it was pretty clear Daring Do "didn't want" wany help and in fact it was shown she was very annoyed at Rainbow with her line "I can't believe I'm talking with her..." with all her rejecting help and saying she works alone at the very end where she clearly saved herself before Rainbow flew in grabbing her (really give a sec and she could've flew to safety but be heavy/hard RD only helped her to get to land faster) it was just very sudden when she ya know changed how she acted and was nicer to her like she did.

Also the hug at the end as cool and sweet as it was why did Daring Do suddenly decided she liked Rainbow Dash enough to add her to the new book? Her change in behavor was very sudden and maybe forced Idk? Again blame the time it had to tell the episode, also it appears the journal (same exact journal from before as it's in Canterlot) is gonna be the new letter system, but why in the world get Rainbow Dash wait...let's see it was 4 months then 3 where Twilights said it was pushed back 2 more so 3 plus 2 =5 FIVE MONTHS to write that lesson down!

I know it's been that long as Rainbow after she got the new book mailed to her by Daring Do herself (cool she's on the cover btw GREATEST FAN DREAM EVER!) she said and quote "SWEET the new book a week before anypony else!" so it's one week until it's released date even if it got released a few months early knowing how long writing takes she had to wait a few days at least before it was finished which means she didn't write that lesson on the same day she learnt it and that just begs the question "why"? Also what was wrong with the Mane6 having their own journals or a journal at Ponyville why go all the way to Canterlot probably once a day just to write in it? It's in a museum ain't it? SHE'S WRITING IN A VERY OLD HISTORY NOT TO BE MESSED WITH OTHERWISE HISTORY IS RUINED BOOK! XD Yeah they neededto give the Mane6 a new journal not write into the old princess sisters' journal and completely mess up whatever h istory was in it (journal of a princess that's over a 1000 years old yeah YOU SHOULDN'T BE WRITTING IN IT!!!!!!! Twilight said a journal of your own not to use the old 1000 year old journal! Is this a mess up on the writer's part? Idk but it's very stupid.)

Aw well that aside what else? Well the action was good I guess and good to resee Daring Do and the villains are SO STUPID if they couldn't tell that was her! What just a beard made of leafs and your fooled? THAT'S A OLD ADVENTURES OF SONIC THE HEDGEHOG TRICK! XD Or maybe all the gold blinded them to her features, my real only complaint and probably biggest issue is...it was too short something like this needs more then 22 mins but it was OK I guess, awesome Daring Do was real and her adventures were real too but was this the right route to go? I'll leave that up to you guys atm I can't tell, but dear goodnss they missed a great chance here (again having Daring Do retired and needing to come back would've been awesome) but aw well let's hope Daring Do will return!
 
Also the way Rainbow Dash acted was just like a fan meeting their hero for the first time, she got exicted seeing her hero was real and wanted to help so badly she got in the way and ruined stuff which was Daring Do's plan all along but she wasn't aware so got crashed wanting to go home until her friends' got her back to normal, but was she out of character? Probably not really but let's see about the score now.

I'll give this let's say...3.9 Daring Do hats out of five it was good but wasn't entertained a lot I don't know why...basically "meh" atm guess need this to set in more. I missed the stream as had to go Christmas shopping with my dad so that may have something to do with this, I guess I was just disappointed about the route they could've took but oh well that's what fanfics are for! (Guess having my OC teleported inside the books wouldn't be as cool now that she's real)

If Daring Do does return maybe she'll help out Rainbow with...her key maybe..? Hhhhhmmmmmmmm.......OK fan thought aside this was pretty cool so hoping she'll return (maybe Ahuizotl will go after Rainbow and her friends now to get payback? BE AWESOME!) in the future!

This episode was painful to watch. I think this is the first time I've had to stop watching halfway through due to cringe-factor. I could not stand the majority of this episode.

Things I liked: Daring Do confirmed to be an actual, canon pony, rather than one that's just in a fictional work inside of another fictional work. Fanfic writers will probably have a field day with that.

Wow, I thought there would be more than one thing I liked about the episode, but nothing else comes to mind.

So in case I haven't made it clear enough already, I hated this episode. It is the only episode in the show's existence that I actually hate. I don't have much more to say about it.


Really? I can't honestly tell how I really feel but gave my best above, they missed a great chance here but oh well MAN rewatching her season 2 episode is gonna be weird.
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December 07, 2013, 03:40:23 PM
Reply #71
Yeah, thing about that is that Indiana Jones interacts with people to get to the places he explores...  and even then, he usually has someone accompanying him, whether it's that digger friend of his, an annoying Asian kid and an even MORE annoying lady friend, or his dad.  I find it hard to believe that, in ALL the stories of Daring Do, she's had no such personal interaction with anypony.
Why? All those people you mentioned in Indiana Jones are partners of his, and the episode specifically makes a point of saying that she doesn't like partnering and working with those exact types of people, and even seems to actively avoid it (which is possibly even why she's so secretive in the first place)
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December 07, 2013, 03:45:57 PM
Reply #72
This episode was painful to watch. I think this is the first time I've had to stop watching halfway through due to cringe-factor. I could not stand the majority of this episode.

Things I liked: Daring Do confirmed to be an actual, canon pony, rather than one that's just in a fictional work inside of another fictional work. Fanfic writers will probably have a field day with that.

Wow, I thought there would be more than one thing I liked about the episode, but nothing else comes to mind.

So in case I haven't made it clear enough already, I hated this episode. It is the only episode in the show's existence that I actually hate. I don't have much more to say about it.

Dang...  you're okay with Feeling Pinkie Keen, Over A Barrel, Owl's Well That Ends Well, The Mysterious Mare-Do-Well, MMMystery on the Friendship Express, and half of season 3, yet this is the episode that you genuinely hate?  I find that rather fascinating...  Care to go into why you hate it so much?

Why? The episode specifically makes a point of saying that she doesn't like partnering and working with those exact types of people, and even seems to actively avoid it (which is possibly even why he's so secretive in the first place. All those people you mentioned in Indiana Jones are partners of his
It's not just partnering, I can believe that Daring Do does things alone, in order to keep this secret, she would have to have almost no interaction with anypony unless she's in disguise, and given the disguise she used to fool Dr. Caballeron, that either makes this episode a farce or everyone in Equestria stupid.  I mean, how would she of had the resources to go to all these places, and make sure either no one finds out she's the real deal or that they can also keep a secret; again Dr. Caballeron fits into this perfectly!  Again, this is why I would have liked to know what actually happens in the books; I keep saying this is all hard to believe, because it's true, I'm having a hard time believing that everything, INCLUDING the other characters in this book who aren't in on Daring Do trying to keep this a secret, is viewed as fictional in the eyes of normal ponies.

December 07, 2013, 03:53:31 PM
Reply #73
It's not just partnering, I can believe that Daring Do does things alone, in order to keep this secret, she would have to have almost no interaction with anypony unless she's in disguise, and given the disguise she used to fool Dr. Caballeron, that either makes this episode a farce or everyone in Equestria stupid.  I mean, how would she of had the resources to go to all these places, and make sure either no one finds out she's the real deal or that they can also keep a secret; again Dr. Caballeron fits into this perfectly!  Again, this is why I would have liked to know what actually happens in the books; I keep saying this is all hard to believe, because it's true, I'm having a hard time believing that everything, INCLUDING the other characters in this book who aren't in on Daring Do trying to keep this a secret, is viewed as fictional in the eyes of normal ponies.

I imagine she has used more elaborate disguises in the past. . .like that of an author. That last disguise was improvised and probably intentionally bad for humor's sake.

Also, the villains are probably keeping secrets for their own purposes. They stand to gain nothing from revealing Daring Do's identity except bring a lot of unwanted attention to themselves as well.

December 07, 2013, 03:56:03 PM
Reply #74
This episode was painful to watch. I think this is the first time I've had to stop watching halfway through due to cringe-factor. I could not stand the majority of this episode.

Things I liked: Daring Do confirmed to be an actual, canon pony, rather than one that's just in a fictional work inside of another fictional work. Fanfic writers will probably have a field day with that.

Wow, I thought there would be more than one thing I liked about the episode, but nothing else comes to mind.

So in case I haven't made it clear enough already, I hated this episode. It is the only episode in the show's existence that I actually hate. I don't have much more to say about it.

Jeez, that seems ridiculously harsh. What exactly made you hate this episode? I mean, I can see why some people would think this episode was just okay, but I seriously can't imagine what could possibly make someone outright HATE it
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