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Offline Archlyn

Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« on: September 18, 2012, 07:11:41 PM »
I apologize for the title - I'm just not sure what to call this topic  :-[


Ok so I've been delving into the fandom alot lately, just trying to catch up with what's been going on with it.  I've been listening to Everfree radio to get a since of the music...looking st some of the art, etc.

One thing I've also been doing is watching/listening to a lot of the interviews with the VAs and stuff.  One thing I consistently hear is how awesome the fandom is - that while loud and exuberant the fans are at the cons and meetups, in general that exuberance comes at due times and in due measure - there isn't alot of resentment  about waiting in lines ore being called out for being a brony, and that for the VAs MLP's fandom just tends to be their favorite just because of the level of generosity and how much "love an tolerance" is practiced.

I love this and it makes me proud and happy to be a member of this fandom.

But then that dark, cynical part of my brain says that's all a load of hooey - that while the fandom is generous, that if you were able to ask the show's cast, writers and such,  in a non-public, off-camera forum, that deep down they think the fans are a little creepy and that everything they say is a PR statement.

Mostly I try to ignore that part of my brain but then I wonder

Does anyone else ever have these thoughts? Or ever had them? Is it just me and my jaded view of humanity?

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Offline stoneth

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 07:20:00 PM »
Every single fandom, anime, furries, sci-fi, fantasy, gamers, etc, has their positive aspects and darker sides. It's basic human nature. You think MLP has some creepy fanboys, you should look at furry. I should know because I am one. I think part of it has to do with the subject matter of the fandom in general. MLP is a show and toyline with a very positive feel and aspect to it. Some of this rubs off on its audience.

Trust me, Bronies are a very positive fandom in comparison to other ones out there.

Offline Al-1701

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 07:25:38 PM »
Even outside of the conventions, many working on the show interact with bronies through social networking and voice their positive views of us.  If they were creeped out by us, they would simply ignore us.
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Offline Mirage Seraph

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 07:28:21 PM »
Well, of course we have a darker side, as stoneth said every fandom has one. I enjoy an abundance of MLP grimdark on a daily basis. As for how the VA's/writers think about us in detail, I kind of see it as some of them may have that opinion you have but you dislike the fact you do have it. Like thinking a stereotype of something is true but openly disregarding it because you KNOW it isn't? Though I think the majority, if not all of them think about is in a positive light all together.


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Offline The Derpy One

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 07:32:31 PM »
I don't think so, at least among the show's cast and the higher-ups behind its creation, since they are fans of the show itself, after all, and they seem nothing but delighted that the fans have embraced the show and that it has affected and inspired so many. I know that if I was working on something which had generated such a huge response then I would be flattered; I could maybe see it if the people working on the show saw it as being "just a job" and secretly harboured resentment or dislike for the show and its concept, but there's nothing to indicate that... everyone seems to love working on it and considers it a privilege and an honour, so why should they dislike bronies for embracing their creation and feeling so enthusiastic about it?

I can imagine that the powers that be don't care for the fandom's occasional dark sides - I don't mean things like Cupcakes, I mean unnecessary drama which is common to almost every fandom - but by and large they seem very happy to have us, just as we are happy to have them.

Offline GabuEx

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 07:41:54 PM »
Members of the show actively talk to and interact with the fandom in multiple fashions, like giving interviews, replying on Twitter, and the like.  If they secretly hated us, they wouldn't have to do any of that.

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 07:45:56 PM »
Every single fandom, anime, furries, sci-fi, fantasy, gamers, etc, has their positive aspects and darker sides. It's basic human nature.

Yeah, pretty much. It's the types that blow negative parts way out of proportion and generalize/stereotype that cause issues.


As for the whole "Love and tolerance" thing, the "Oh, Bronies are much more loving than most fandoms!" thing is just BS, tbh. There's not as much "love and tolerance" as a lot of bronies seem to say there is. At least, from what I've seen. I mean, just go to any YouTube video about rule 34 or anything mildly sexual, and you'll see comments like "Cloppers make me sick" and "Cloppers aren't true bronies!" and such. Or places like /mlp/ and /co/. But then again, that is YouTube and 4chan...not really known for being intelligent places.

It doesn't help that "Love and Tolerance" in itself was never meant to be what it is today. Sure, in general the fandom is somewhat more positive than most, but trying to claim that everyone is "loving and tolerating" is just ridiculous. /tangent
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Offline GabuEx

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 07:54:41 PM »
Yeah, pretty much. It's the types that blow negative parts way out of proportion and generalize/stereotype that cause issues.

As for the whole "Love and tolerance" thing, the "Oh, Bronies are much more loving than most fandoms!" thing is just BS, tbh. There's not as much "love and tolerance" as a lot of bronies seem to say there is. At least, from what I've seen. I mean, just go to any YouTube video about rule 34 or anything mildly sexual, and you'll see comments like "Cloppers make me sick" and "Cloppers aren't true bronies!" and such. Or places like /mlp/ and /co/. But then again, that is YouTube and 4chan...not really known for being intelligent places.

It doesn't help that "Love and Tolerance" in itself was never meant to be what it is today. Sure, in general the fandom is somewhat more positive than most, but trying to claim that everyone is "loving and tolerating" is just ridiculous. /tangent

Perhaps I might just be biased, but honestly I do see better qualities in the brony community than in most others of a comparable size, actually.  Sure you have instances like that, as well as shameful moments such as what happened in the wake of Derpygate, but on the whole, my experience has been that bronies do seem to be more reasonable and understanding than the general public.

To give one anecdotal example, I play TF2 on the Pony Fortress 2 servers all the time, and drama, griefing, trolling, etc. are almost unheard of there.  I even recall that at one point in time when I was playing, three people started having a completely reasoned and well-thought out political debate with nary a name called or angry moment from them or anyone else.  I had never seen anything like it in any multiplayer FPS before.

I also remember when I went to Everfree Northwest, there was just this feeling in the air of kinship and camaraderie that made me feel happy just being around it.  It's hard to explain and difficult to prove, of course.
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Offline Archlyn

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 07:56:38 PM »
Every single fandom, anime, furries, sci-fi, fantasy, gamers, etc, has their positive aspects and darker sides. It's basic human nature. You think MLP has some creepy fanboys, you should look at furry. I should know because I am one. I think part of it has to do with the subject matter of the fandom in general. MLP is a show and toyline with a very positive feel and aspect to it. Some of this rubs off on its audience.

Trust me, Bronies are a very positive fandom in comparison to other ones out there.

I know there are darker sides to all types of fandom. My point though is NOT that MLP's fandom is creepy or weird.  Parts of it are, yes but on the whole we're just passionate about it.

My point is this: How they act *in public*, this includes things like Facebook, Cons, Twitter, anything that may be seen by others besides the show staff or their close confidantsmay be...to put it bluntly, dishonest. They (The show staff and anyone involved with its creative process), don't want to alienate us because we buy merch, we donate to causes, and, for better or worse we make the news, from online articles to  that atrocious Fox news story. 

I guess what I'm saying is that, deep down I can see this all being motivated by the desire for more money and more press (which can lead to more money). 

I realize that in the grand scheme of things this probably isn't true, I mean they didn't HAVE to give Derpy spoken lines, or do that song that gives a shoutout to the Brony community
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Offline GabuEx

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 08:00:27 PM »
I guess what I'm saying is that, deep down I can see this all being motivated by the desire for more money and more press (which can lead to more money). 

To support this view, you'd basically have to assert that every single member of the entire show's production crew and cast is greedy, considering that they all have done something in the community by now.

Offline Archlyn

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 08:14:48 PM »
To support this view, you'd basically have to assert that every single member of the entire show's production crew and cast is greedy, considering that they all have done something in the community by now.

Not really - All I'd have to say is that that the higher-ups are greedy and everyone else wants to keep their jobs so they tow the party line

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Offline HoofBitingActionOverload

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2012, 08:29:54 PM »
It isn't difficult to tell the difference between PR and someone's genuine feelings.

Offline Archlyn

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2012, 08:44:45 PM »
It isn't difficult to tell the difference between PR and someone's genuine feelings.

It is for me. Part of my brain is always playing the Devil's advocate, always seeking the hidden motives, trying to root out the person's true feelings. 

I realize that this may begin with the false premise that there ARE hidden motives and that people never show their true feelings to any but their closest inner circle and this is part of my problem

I can't help it, it's part of who I am, and I started this topic to see if anyone else feels the same way I do.  I can honestly say that I am happy that no one else does, so I can go on happily ignoring that portion of my thoughts that insists that this is too good to be true :D
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Offline GabuEx

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2012, 09:15:21 PM »
Not really - All I'd have to say is that that the higher-ups are greedy and everyone else wants to keep their jobs so they tow the party line

Okay, so you have to either believe what I said or be really, really paranoid that Hasbro's execs are evil, greedy bastards. :P

Offline Dashell

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2012, 09:31:20 PM »
Yeah Tarah Strong goes to almost all the Brony Conventions and John DeLancie is doing a Documentary on us because they secretly hate us... seriously, what?

Offline Archlyn

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2012, 09:41:57 PM »
Okay, so you have to either believe what I said or be really, really paranoid that Hasbro's execs are evil, greedy bastards. :P

Your statement requires that I accept  the idea that ALL involved are greedy - what I tried to say is that only the Hasbro execs are greedy bastards, the rest of the staff want to keep working too, but not necessarily out of greed. Instead the staff  be acting out of fear.  They all have families to feed and debts to pay and things that the Hasbro execs (who, for the scope of this discussion may be acting out of greed) are less concerned with. 

The Hasbro execs are wealthier and have a higher income than the rest of their staff I think, and I am assuming they want to keep making money.  The Brony community may be an excellent source to fuel that want (hence the greed) and so the Hasbro excecs have encouraged the rest of the staff to embrace the Brony movement, else they lose their jobs or are otherwise sanctioned.   This way  we may continue to buy, donate and encourage others to do the same so they caan keep making money.


I am aware that this sounds like tin-foil-hat paranoia.  After talking to you all I understand that, which is why I said this earlier (I hate self-quoting but I want to make sure everyone sees it before they respond:

It is for me. Part of my brain is always playing the Devil's advocate, always seeking the hidden motives, trying to root out the person's true feelings. 

I realize that this may begin with the false premise that there ARE hidden motives and that people never show their true feelings to any but their closest inner circle and this is part of my problem

I can't help it, it's part of who I am, and I started this topic to see if anyone else feels the same way I do.  I can honestly say that I am happy that no one else does, so I can go on happily ignoring that portion of my thoughts that insists that this is too good to be true :D

Edit:
Yeah Tarah Strong goes to almost all the Brony Conventions and John DeLancie is doing a Documentary on us because they secretly hate us... seriously, what?

Please note that to me the question I initially asked was answered. 
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Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2012, 09:46:56 PM »
I'm almost 90% sure the VAs and people the work on the show think we bronies are creeps, and all the stuff they say on camera and interviews is just PR crud. :monster:
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Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2012, 10:47:05 PM »
I'm almost 90% sure the VAs and people the work on the show think we bronies are creeps, and all the stuff they say on camera and interviews is just PR crud. :monster:
I don't see why so many =/ They work on the show by choice, so they must have some respect for the show. And their ages are pretty similar to many of the fans of the show. And they wouldn't go so out of there way to please us if you ask me.


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Offline Grumbles

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2012, 11:54:18 PM »
It's hard to blanket everyone that works for the show. It would really depend on the individual's personality. Being the realist that I am I would say there are definitely a few that think us odd, but with us being such a kind and fun loving bunch, I wouldn't say it is the majority either.
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Offline stoneth

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2012, 12:22:41 AM »
Considering that Lauren Faust herself from day one designed the show to be enjoyable by girls and adults, and considering how most people working on the show seem to genuinely enjoy what they are doing, and how involved Tara Strong has gotten in the fandom, I find it very unlikely that those involved with the show would feign delight in the brony demographic just for revenue.

Granted, I don't think the folks at Hasbro two years ago ever dreamed that one of their oldest franchises aimed at little girls would become so radically popular adults (many of them men, at that). At the end of the day I think most IP owners know that the fan element is an important part of their IP and that while there may be less than savory parts of it, that's not the point of it. The point is that people are interested in it.

I think fandoms as a whole are much more savory than how they used to be. I mean back in the days of Tiny Toons, one of the voice actresses Tress MacNeille had a stalker who unnerved her so much that she canceled con appearances near where he lived.

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Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2012, 05:33:41 AM »
I also remember when I went to Everfree Northwest, there was just this feeling in the air of kinship and camaraderie that made me feel happy just being around it.  It's hard to explain and difficult to prove, of course.
I have to comment on this bit.  On a much smaller scale, I went to Brony Fan Fair in Austin a couple of weeks ago, and it was by far one of the most excellent con experiences of my life.  There were no VAs or anyone associated with the show there, just fans, but it was still amazing.  People were so nice, and there was no anger/rage/annoyance that I saw (other than a lady who wasn't there for the con, was just staying at the hotel, who made a rude comment about a bunch of adults enjoying a kids show).  I haven't had a single negative experience with a fan of the show, which is more than I can say for other fandoms.
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Offline Kyubi

Re: Jaded and Cynical: the fandom
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2012, 02:27:49 AM »
Now i would have many things to complain about this fandom but i'll just say that this is not the most tolerant fandom there is.